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AI relies on no squishy laws or muddled heads

#323: Chris and I are joined by ChartingAI Substacker Graham Lovelace to hammer out what needs to change if AI is to achieve its potential...
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During last week’s ep of Scotch and Watch I was distracted from the fierce eight-year-old Arbeg I was smashing through when I saw a name pop up that I recognised.

We’d be joined by Substack royalty.

, author of the resoundingly successful Charting AI newsletter, had graced Chris and I with his presence.

Well we weren’t going to let that go by, so we invited him back and this week he’s joined us to break down the future of AI, copyright, and what it means for publishers.


If you’ve not tuned in before, this is a podcast where we talk about the collision of Big Tech and Big Media, with some AI thrown in, and call BS where it’s due.

This week in court, we heard Google is still stealing publisher content on an industrial scale to train AI Overviews, so our work has never been more important.

But as we point out, the worm is turning. Google is being broken up. Meta is facing an antitrust trial, and Apple suffered a shattering on its app store.

So what better time to bring Graham on…

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Graham’s a legend.

He’s worked at the forefront of technology and news media for four decades, and now his newsletter is one of the most read on the impacts of GenAI.

  • We discuss how the publishing industry failed to nail the message of digital literacy allowing Big Tech to steal the narrative for a generation.

  • How it’s taken too long for the news industry to wake up to the industrial scale theft that Google, OpenAI and others have enacted.

  • The court cases brought by 40 publishers, including Mashable-publisher Ziff Davis and the New York Times, to redress the balance.

  • Graham’s closely following a tug-of-war between UK politicians over whether to loosen or strengthen copyright laws for the AI era.

  • How it might take a massive tragedy for the world to realise the real dangers being created, and

  • That AI might actually all just be a myth, and turn out to be far less of a gamechanger than its being sold as…

But when the chat gets to how “squishy” the laws are, that’s when I lose it…

Enjoy, and see you next time…

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